Version compatability

[RG]

I installed Intellicad v 6.1.16.1 Premium Edition on my new pc, running
windows xp.
I installed my old pc with Intellicad v 3.3.004 standard edition in my shop.
Now thinking I can transfer files from home to the shop, no problem, but the
files created or revised on v 6.1 will not open on my old pc with version
3.3. I cannot install the new intellicad v 6.1 on my old pc, because it is
using windows 98 and will not support the new version, I cannot update the
old pc, because the processor and memory will not support xp.
I wanted to be able to take files from my home to my shop. I thought all
their advertising says Intellicad files are compatable with all auto cad and
others.
I cannot believe that Cadopia did this with their own product, and there is
no way for me to adapt a file for both versions.... sounds like microcrap
here to me...... Disappointed with purchase of intellicad version 6.1.
Can anyone help here? Thank-You

Ray

[jg]

Post by RG
I installed Intellicad v 6.1.16.1 Premium Edition on my new pc, running
windows xp.
I installed my old pc with Intellicad v 3.3.004 standard edition in my shop.
Now thinking I can transfer files from home to the shop, no problem, but the
files created or revised on v 6.1 will not open on my old pc with version
3.3. I cannot install the new intellicad v 6.1 on my old pc, because it is
using windows 98 and will not support the new version, I cannot update the
old pc, because the processor and memory will not support xp.
I wanted to be able to take files from my home to my shop. I thought all
their advertising says Intellicad files are compatable with all auto cad and
others.
I cannot believe that Cadopia did this with their own product, and there is
no way for me to adapt a file for both versions.... sounds like microcrap
here to me...... Disappointed with purchase of intellicad version 6.1.
Can anyone help here? Thank-You

I use Bricscad v6...(the latest) on win98 no problemo. I would bet any brand
v6 would work on win98. Other software has dropped us 98'ers, but not Icad,
not yet. Files are saved as acad-2000 I think, they must be saved as an
earlier acad version in Icad3.3 and it could only read up to that version.
Gee, you wouldn't like Acad's approach to backward compatability! And there
can't be such a thing as forward compability :) I wouldn't have trouble
because I set it to save as Acad-14 by default (for other reasons). I found
v3.xxx was not a very good year, v6 works beautifully.

[CW]

First, stating Intellicad version numbers without specifying who's version
is meaningless. Progcad's numbers are different from CMS's, which are
different from Bricscad, ect. The only compatibility problems you are likely
to have is with the DWG version, not Intellicad. Likely the newer version is
saving to DWG2004 by default. Older versions of the software (and older
versions of AutoCAD) can not read that. In the save dialog, you can set the
version when saving. You can also set the program up so it defaults to any
version you want. I have mine set to default to DWG2000 to avoid
compatibility problems like this.

Post by RG
I installed Intellicad v 6.1.16.1 Premium Edition on my new pc, running
windows xp.
I installed my old pc with Intellicad v 3.3.004 standard edition in my shop.
Now thinking I can transfer files from home to the shop, no problem, but the
files created or revised on v 6.1 will not open on my old pc with version
3.3. I cannot install the new intellicad v 6.1 on my old pc, because it is
using windows 98 and will not support the new version, I cannot update the
old pc, because the processor and memory will not support xp.
I wanted to be able to take files from my home to my shop. I thought all
their advertising says Intellicad files are compatable with all auto cad and
others.
I cannot believe that Cadopia did this with their own product, and there is
no way for me to adapt a file for both versions.... sounds like microcrap
here to me...... Disappointed with purchase of intellicad version 6.1.
Can anyone help here? Thank-You
Ray

[jg]

Post by CW
First, stating Intellicad version numbers without specifying who's version
is meaningless. Progcad's numbers are different from CMS's, which are
different from Bricscad, ect. The only compatibility problems you are likely
to have is with the DWG version, not Intellicad. Likely the newer version is
saving to DWG2004 by default. Older versions of the software (and older
versions of AutoCAD) can not read that. In the save dialog, you can set the
version when saving. You can also set the program up so it defaults to any
version you want. I have mine set to default to DWG2000 to avoid
compatibility problems like this.

RG mentions Cadopia later in post, I believe they started saying winXP was
minimum in the hope it would overcome a few problems people were
experiencing... but it didn't actually and when later versions ironed out
the issues they couldn't really revert & say 98 was ok again.

[RG]

Thanks jg and all who responded. I tried saving the drawing to dwg2000, and
you were right it opened right up, but responded very slowly on my version
of 3.3. But after saving it using the old version, then opening it up again
it worked perfectly.
So I open it then save it to hard drive on old pc, then immediately open it
again and works perfect.
Again many thanks.

Ray

Post by CW

Post by CW
First, stating Intellicad version numbers without specifying who's version
is meaningless. Progcad's numbers are different from CMS's, which are
different from Bricscad, ect. The only compatibility problems you are

likely

Post by CW
to have is with the DWG version, not Intellicad. Likely the newer version

is

Post by CW
saving to DWG2004 by default. Older versions of the software (and older
versions of AutoCAD) can not read that. In the save dialog, you can set

the

Post by CW
version when saving. You can also set the program up so it defaults to any
version you want. I have mine set to default to DWG2000 to avoid
compatibility problems like this.

RG mentions Cadopia later in post, I believe they started saying winXP was
minimum in the hope it would overcome a few problems people were
experiencing... but it didn't actually and when later versions ironed out
the issues they couldn't really revert & say 98 was ok again.

[n***@cix.compulink.co.uk]

I use a program called 'Convert' to convert between drawing formats.
There is a free conversion program available from the AutoDesk website
(not sure of its name). Would be worth trying that on your files.

If you care to send me one of the drawings, I'll give it a try,
converting it to R14.


Brian Salt.

*Date:* Fri, 19 May 2006 16:40:24 -0400
I installed Intellicad v 6.1.16.1 Premium Edition on my new pc,
running windows xp.
I installed my old pc with Intellicad v 3.3.004 standard edition in
my shop. Now thinking I can transfer files from home to the shop, no
problem, but the files created or revised on v 6.1 will not open on
my old pc with version 3.3. I cannot install the new intellicad v
6.1 on my old pc, because it is using windows 98 and will not support
the new version, I cannot update the old pc, because the processor
and memory will not support xp.
I wanted to be able to take files from my home to my shop. I
thought all their advertising says Intellicad files are compatable
with all auto cad and others.
I cannot believe that Cadopia did this with their own product, and
there is no way for me to adapt a file for both versions.... sounds
like microcrap here to me...... Disappointed with purchase of
intellicad version 6.1.
Can anyone help here? Thank-You
Ray

[jg]

Post by n***@cix.compulink.co.uk
I use a program called 'Convert' to convert between drawing formats.
There is a free conversion program available from the AutoDesk website
(not sure of its name). Would be worth trying that on your files.
If you care to send me one of the drawings, I'll give it a try,
converting it to R14.

Hmm, is that the same Convert.exe from the Open Design Alliance the same as
the .dgn converter which Autodesk is in dispute over usage of, without even
being a member? One used to be available from the ODA for free, but now you
might as well just buy Icad... it's so reasonably priced. Or if conversions
is your big thing, Turbocad converts between more file types than any
software I know.

[n***@cix.compulink.co.uk]

Post by jg
Hmm, is that the same Convert.exe from the Open Design Alliance the same as
the .dgn converter which Autodesk is in dispute over usage of,
without even
being a member?

I dunno!

[CW]

Brian, there is no need of a conversion program with Intellicad. It can save
back to every Autocad version there was. Autocad, of course, cannot do this.

Post by n***@cix.compulink.co.uk
I use a program called 'Convert' to convert between drawing formats.
There is a free conversion program available from the AutoDesk website
(not sure of its name). Would be worth trying that on your files.

[jg]

Not so much can't... won't.

Post by CW
Brian, there is no need of a conversion program with Intellicad. It can save
back to every Autocad version there was. Autocad, of course, cannot do this.

Post by n***@cix.compulink.co.uk
I use a program called 'Convert' to convert between drawing formats.
There is a free conversion program available from the AutoDesk website
(not sure of its name). Would be worth trying that on your files.

[a***@gmail.com]

CW,
I would like to point out that DWG files created in the 2004 format
cannot be reopened in ACAD once saved from IntelliCAD. This issue has
not yet been resolved. You can find this on bugzilla. I have verified
this with Autodesk Map 2004. ZWCad is the only IntelliCAD version I
know of which has fixed this issue.
regards,
Agnel

[Rich Webb]

Post by a***@gmail.com
CW,
I would like to point out that DWG files created in the 2004 format
cannot be reopened in ACAD once saved from IntelliCAD. This issue has
not yet been resolved. You can find this on bugzilla. I have verified
this with Autodesk Map 2004. ZWCad is the only IntelliCAD version I
know of which has fixed this issue.

I don't have access to ACAD 2004 to check this myself but in the release
notes to Bricscad 6.2.0022 they state in the list of bug fixes: "Failure
to save in 2004 format" so presumably it's working there, too.
FWIW, their current release is 6.2.0024.

[CW]

There's a similar problem with Turbocad. Both programs use the Open DWG
standards. That's probably where the problem lies.

Post by a***@gmail.com
CW,
I would like to point out that DWG files created in the 2004 format
cannot be reopened in ACAD once saved from IntelliCAD. This issue has
not yet been resolved. You can find this on bugzilla. I have verified
this with Autodesk Map 2004. ZWCad is the only IntelliCAD version I
know of which has fixed this issue.
regards,
Agnel

[jg]

I'd say Autocad has the problem - it can't interchange using its own old
file formats, always had trouble with its own interchange standard dxf and
can't read files from most other cad software.

Post by CW
There's a similar problem with Turbocad. Both programs use the Open DWG
standards. That's probably where the problem lies.

Post by a***@gmail.com
CW,
I would like to point out that DWG files created in the 2004 format
cannot be reopened in ACAD once saved from IntelliCAD. This issue has
not yet been resolved. You can find this on bugzilla. I have verified
this with Autodesk Map 2004. ZWCad is the only IntelliCAD version I
know of which has fixed this issue.
regards,
Agnel

[a***@gmail.com]

jg,
Not in this case, the problem is in IntelliCAD. the members who are
fixing the bug are not contributing the fix back into the main source
tree.
regards,
Agnel

[jg]

Post by a***@gmail.com
jg,
Not in this case, the problem is in IntelliCAD. the members who are
fixing the bug are not contributing the fix back into the main source
tree.
regards,
Agnel

Just wait, they probably will. But that's not really my point; because
others can't do something Acad can is not reason to say they are wrong,
buggy, inadequate etc. Others go to a greater effort overall, to have some
sort of standard than Acad who just keep shifting the bar to maintain a
monopoly.

[a***@gmail.com]

.......is not reason to say they are wrong,
buggy, inadequate etc. ....

They are wrong in holding back such an important bug fix from the
community Cannot blame the developers here. Most developers would be
happy to fix that bug. Problem is that we developers get our paychecks
from people who want to keep the goodies for themselves.

regards,
Agnel CJ Kurian.

[jg]

Post by a***@gmail.com

.......is not reason to say they are wrong,
buggy, inadequate etc. ....

They are wrong in holding back such an important bug fix from the
community Cannot blame the developers here. Most developers would be
happy to fix that bug. Problem is that we developers get our paychecks
from people who want to keep the goodies for themselves.

I was commenting only on the program's performance. I believe there is
"community" development and then there is individual development, not paid
for by the community. I remember the consortium actually bought one piece of
development from Bricscad which it had planned to contract to outside
developers, as an expediency. Either way it would not have been community
work. I don't know whether particular development makes it back to the core
program eventually or not, it's something I have always wondered. CMS for
instance is remarkably cheap, but I always had the impression it never runs
as well as certain others who do their own development... depends who is
paying.