Which Intellicad do you use?

[d***@hotmail.com]

I'm a fairly new user, on the cusp of buying Intellicad.

I do love AutoCAD, but it's just too expensive. Besides, the
Intellicad ethos of open source software
appeals to me.

I've tried Bricscad, progeCAD (tempted by their free LT version) and
CADopia. I have found that Brics is the most stable for me, and is
number one on the list. I've found that fairly simple drawings in
Cadopia take a long time to regenerate, and progeCAD froze up as soon
as I tried to print preview. Does anyone have recommendations as to
these or other programs?

David

[Rich Webb]

Post by d***@hotmail.com
I'm a fairly new user, on the cusp of buying Intellicad.
I do love AutoCAD, but it's just too expensive. Besides, the
Intellicad ethos of open source software
appeals to me.
I've tried Bricscad, progeCAD (tempted by their free LT version) and
CADopia. I have found that Brics is the most stable for me, and is
number one on the list. I've found that fairly simple drawings in
Cadopia take a long time to regenerate, and progeCAD froze up as soon
as I tried to print preview. Does anyone have recommendations as to
these or other programs?

I ended up with Bricscad, mostly because of my perception that they are
pretty agressive in chasing down & fixing bugs and in contributing to
the code base.

[jg]

Post by Rich Webb

Post by d***@hotmail.com
I'm a fairly new user, on the cusp of buying Intellicad.
I do love AutoCAD, but it's just too expensive. Besides, the
Intellicad ethos of open source software
appeals to me.
I've tried Bricscad, progeCAD (tempted by their free LT version) and
CADopia. I have found that Brics is the most stable for me, and is
number one on the list. I've found that fairly simple drawings in
Cadopia take a long time to regenerate, and progeCAD froze up as soon
as I tried to print preview. Does anyone have recommendations as to
these or other programs?

I ended up with Bricscad, mostly because of my perception that they are
pretty agressive in chasing down & fixing bugs and in contributing to
the code base.

Same here. I notice on one forum (no names) someone reported losing entity
snaps, which has been a problem in a couple of versions. That was Nov 6 and
not even a comment has been made except by a couple of other users with the
same problem. With Bricscad the same problem was reported, acknowledged and
fixed in probably less time than that. I don't have any gripes with Bricscad
at all. Full time drafting for the past 30 years, CAD for the past 20, self
employed for the past 10.

[d***@hotmail.com]

Thanks for the advice everyone - I bought Bricscad
David

Post by jg

Post by Rich Webb

Post by d***@hotmail.com
I'm a fairly new user, on the cusp of buying Intellicad.
I do love AutoCAD, but it's just too expensive. Besides, the
Intellicad ethos of open source software
appeals to me.
I've tried Bricscad, progeCAD (tempted by their free LT version) and
CADopia. I have found that Brics is the most stable for me, and is
number one on the list. I've found that fairly simple drawings in
Cadopia take a long time to regenerate, and progeCAD froze up as soon
as I tried to print preview. Does anyone have recommendations as to
these or other programs?

I ended up with Bricscad, mostly because of my perception that they are
pretty agressive in chasing down & fixing bugs and in contributing to
the code base.

Same here. I notice on one forum (no names) someone reported losing entity
snaps, which has been a problem in a couple of versions. That was Nov 6 and
not even a comment has been made except by a couple of other users with the
same problem. With Bricscad the same problem was reported, acknowledged and
fixed in probably less time than that. I don't have any gripes with Bricscad
at all. Full time drafting for the past 30 years, CAD for the past 20, self
employed for the past 10.

[Joe Lauton]

On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 05:51:38 GMT, Rich Webb

Post by Rich Webb

Post by d***@hotmail.com
I'm a fairly new user, on the cusp of buying Intellicad.
I do love AutoCAD, but it's just too expensive. Besides, the
Intellicad ethos of open source software
appeals to me.
I've tried Bricscad, progeCAD (tempted by their free LT version) and
CADopia. I have found that Brics is the most stable for me, and is
number one on the list. I've found that fairly simple drawings in
Cadopia take a long time to regenerate, and progeCAD froze up as soon
as I tried to print preview. Does anyone have recommendations as to
these or other programs?

I ended up with Bricscad, mostly because of my perception that they are
pretty agressive in chasing down & fixing bugs and in contributing to
the code base.

I'm interested in Bricscad also. What is the difference between
classic and pro??? (It was unclear to me on the web site.)

Are the prices one time fees until or if you upgrade?

Any copy protection problems - like having a copy on a backup system
and/or a laptop?

Everything is a default non-English units I assume.

jl

[Rich Webb]

Post by Joe Lauton
On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 05:51:38 GMT, Rich Webb

Post by Rich Webb

Post by d***@hotmail.com
I'm a fairly new user, on the cusp of buying Intellicad.
I do love AutoCAD, but it's just too expensive. Besides, the
Intellicad ethos of open source software
appeals to me.
I've tried Bricscad, progeCAD (tempted by their free LT version) and
CADopia. I have found that Brics is the most stable for me, and is
number one on the list. I've found that fairly simple drawings in
Cadopia take a long time to regenerate, and progeCAD froze up as soon
as I tried to print preview. Does anyone have recommendations as to
these or other programs?

I ended up with Bricscad, mostly because of my perception that they are
pretty agressive in chasing down & fixing bugs and in contributing to
the code base.

I'm interested in Bricscad also. What is the difference between
classic and pro??? (It was unclear to me on the web site.)

ACIS solid editing and VBA integration.

Post by Joe Lauton
Are the prices one time fees until or if you upgrade?

One time fee, with subsequent point releases included for that major
release version number.

Post by Joe Lauton
Any copy protection problems - like having a copy on a backup system
and/or a laptop?

A license key is provided with purchase. It is not machine locked.

Post by Joe Lauton
Everything is a default non-English units I assume.

Well, a one is a one is a one. The default dimensioning alternate unit
is set up as if the primary unit is inches and the alternate,
millimeters.

[jg]

On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 06:18:05 GMT, Joe Lauton ...........

Post by Joe Lauton
Everything is a default non-English units I assume.

Well, a one is a one is a one. The default dimensioning alternate unit
is set up as if the primary unit is inches and the alternate,
millimeters.

If I draw a line 1000 long in decimal units it's 83'-4" (1000") when units
are changed to architectural, but I have had Autocad dwgs in the past which
had to be scaled 25.4 to use in our metric system. I think the program
defaults to decimal but it's simple to change the default - it's only the
units setting which is affected.

[Rich Webb]

Post by jg

On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 06:18:05 GMT, Joe Lauton ...........

Post by Joe Lauton
Everything is a default non-English units I assume.

Well, a one is a one is a one. The default dimensioning alternate unit
is set up as if the primary unit is inches and the alternate,
millimeters.

If I draw a line 1000 long in decimal units it's 83'-4" (1000") when units
are changed to architectural, but I have had Autocad dwgs in the past which
had to be scaled 25.4 to use in our metric system. I think the program
defaults to decimal but it's simple to change the default - it's only the
units setting which is affected.

Ahh -- you're right. Shows how often I use architectural units, eh? ;-)

[jg]

Post by Rich Webb

Post by jg

On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 06:18:05 GMT, Joe Lauton ...........

Post by Joe Lauton
Everything is a default non-English units I assume.

Well, a one is a one is a one. The default dimensioning alternate unit
is set up as if the primary unit is inches and the alternate,
millimeters.

If I draw a line 1000 long in decimal units it's 83'-4" (1000") when units
are changed to architectural, but I have had Autocad dwgs in the past which
had to be scaled 25.4 to use in our metric system. I think the program
defaults to decimal but it's simple to change the default - it's only the
units setting which is affected.

Ahh -- you're right. Shows how often I use architectural units, eh? ;-)

We use metric all the time, Australia changed about 1970 which was about
when I was starting work, so imperial never seems far away and we still use
many common items, threads especially, made to imperial units. If the US had
changed it might have become a metric world but it's a minor mess and
probably created by idiot politicians. The single thing which bugs me most
was we lost 3/4 scale and its variants - the metric system has nothing
between 1/2 and full size which is really stupid. My work is most often 1=50
or 1=100, 1=75 would very often be ideal but it's not available.

[CW]

How is it "not available"? Just set it that way. I don't do anything in
metric so I don't know if this is considered bad practice or not but I see
no reason to stick to ridged scale sizes in CAD.

"jg" <***@nospam.com> wrote in message news:FMLch.2166$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
My work is most often 1=50

Post by jg
or 1=100, 1=75 would very often be ideal but it's not available.

[Joe Lauton]

Post by CW
How is it "not available"? Just set it that way. I don't do anything in
metric so I don't know if this is considered bad practice or not but I see
no reason to stick to ridged scale sizes in CAD.
My work is most often 1=50

Post by jg
or 1=100, 1=75 would very often be ideal but it's not available.

The site had some (primitive) structural routines as add-ons all non
English.
Is there ever a problem with printer drivers, if an inkjet plotter is
not available. Will details scale correctly if sent to a regular
laser or inkjet printer?

jl

[Joe Lauton]

Post by CW
How is it "not available"? Just set it that way. I don't do anything in
metric so I don't know if this is considered bad practice or not but I see
no reason to stick to ridged scale sizes in CAD.
My work is most often 1=50

Post by jg
or 1=100, 1=75 would very often be ideal but it's not available.

The site had some (primitive) structural routines as add-ons all non
English.
Is there ever a problem with printer drivers, if an inkjet plotter is
not available. Will details scale correctly if sent to a regular
'system' laser or inkjet printer?

jl

[CW]

There's no reason that should ever be a problem.

Post by Joe Lauton

Post by CW
How is it "not available"? Just set it that way. I don't do anything in
metric so I don't know if this is considered bad practice or not but I see
no reason to stick to ridged scale sizes in CAD.
My work is most often 1=50

Post by jg
or 1=100, 1=75 would very often be ideal but it's not available.

The site had some (primitive) structural routines as add-ons all non
English.
Is there ever a problem with printer drivers, if an inkjet plotter is
not available. Will details scale correctly if sent to a regular
'system' laser or inkjet printer?
jl

[Joe Lauton]

How about the documentation. How good and precise is it?

Is it strictly an electronic version?

OR does one look to acad for info?

jl

Post by CW
There's no reason that should ever be a problem.

Post by Joe Lauton

Post by CW
How is it "not available"? Just set it that way. I don't do anything in
metric so I don't know if this is considered bad practice or not but I

see

Post by Joe Lauton

Post by CW
no reason to stick to ridged scale sizes in CAD.
My work is most often 1=50

Post by jg
or 1=100, 1=75 would very often be ideal but it's not available.

The site had some (primitive) structural routines as add-ons all non
English.
Is there ever a problem with printer drivers, if an inkjet plotter is
not available. Will details scale correctly if sent to a regular
'system' laser or inkjet printer?
jl

[jg]

It's just not part of the ISO standard - no one recognises it. If I take any
drawing into a workshop, building site, office or even into another "metric"
country, drawn at say 1=75 they won't have a scale rule to match and no
gov't dept or any other org. operating under Australian standards (based on
ISO) will accept the drawing. Aust. standard Metric scales are basically 1:2
1:5 1:10 and multiples like 1:50 1:500 5:1 50:1 etc. Even the very commonly
used variations of 1:25 are not strictly speaking acceptable, but nobody
minds - at least it's on all the scale rules.

Post by CW
How is it "not available"? Just set it that way. I don't do anything in
metric so I don't know if this is considered bad practice or not but I see
no reason to stick to ridged scale sizes in CAD.
My work is most often 1=50

Post by jg
or 1=100, 1=75 would very often be ideal but it's not available.

[CW]

I figured it was just a standards thing. In my line of work, no one uses any
scale rules. Not accurate enough even if you did have a full size print.
Drawings being reduced in size are the norm.

Post by jg
It's just not part of the ISO standard - no one recognises it. If I take any
drawing into a workshop, building site, office or even into another "metric"
country, drawn at say 1=75 they won't have a scale rule to match and no
gov't dept or any other org. operating under Australian standards (based on
ISO) will accept the drawing. Aust. standard Metric scales are basically 1:2
1:5 1:10 and multiples like 1:50 1:500 5:1 50:1 etc. Even the very commonly
used variations of 1:25 are not strictly speaking acceptable, but nobody
minds - at least it's on all the scale rules.

Post by CW
How is it "not available"? Just set it that way. I don't do anything in
metric so I don't know if this is considered bad practice or not but I see
no reason to stick to ridged scale sizes in CAD.
My work is most often 1=50

Post by jg
or 1=100, 1=75 would very often be ideal but it's not available.

[jg]

Well they do say "do not scale", but there are always (non-critical)
occasions where you need to in most mechanical work at least. And it helps
if parts or features shown in one drawing in a set are relatively the same
size as in another or in someone else's drawings which are meant to
eventually fit together. Even in 3d which is not much use for scaling, you
couldn't have the house drawing on one sheet the same size as the outhouse
on the next just because it fits the paper?

Post by CW
I figured it was just a standards thing. In my line of work, no one uses any
scale rules. Not accurate enough even if you did have a full size print.
Drawings being reduced in size are the norm.

Post by jg
It's just not part of the ISO standard - no one recognises it. If I take

any

Post by jg
drawing into a workshop, building site, office or even into another

"metric"

Post by jg
country, drawn at say 1=75 they won't have a scale rule to match and no
gov't dept or any other org. operating under Australian standards (based

on

Post by jg
ISO) will accept the drawing. Aust. standard Metric scales are basically

1:2

Post by jg
1:5 1:10 and multiples like 1:50 1:500 5:1 50:1 etc. Even the very

commonly

Post by jg
used variations of 1:25 are not strictly speaking acceptable, but nobody
minds - at least it's on all the scale rules.

Post by CW
How is it "not available"? Just set it that way. I don't do anything in
metric so I don't know if this is considered bad practice or not but I

see

Post by jg

Post by CW
no reason to stick to ridged scale sizes in CAD.
My work is most often 1=50

Post by jg
or 1=100, 1=75 would very often be ideal but it's not available.

[Philippe]

Post by d***@hotmail.com
I'm a fairly new user, on the cusp of buying Intellicad.
I do love AutoCAD, but it's just too expensive. Besides, the
Intellicad ethos of open source software
appeals to me.
I've tried Bricscad, progeCAD (tempted by their free LT version) and
CADopia. I have found that Brics is the most stable for me, and is
number one on the list. I've found that fairly simple drawings in
Cadopia take a long time to regenerate, and progeCAD froze up as soon
as I tried to print preview. Does anyone have recommendations as to
these or other programs?
David

Hello all,

I've tried ZWCad .... seems better than the rest ... anyone else tried it ?

Philippe